I'm trying to pursue the fine art thing as well, trying to push things out into galleries and shows.
I really want to build a happy mixture of personal and professional work and keep making things all the time.
I'm also continuing to work on my new magazine "Untitled” that explores all different aspects of my current interests. The first issue came out last year and the second one is now out as well (the Swimsuit Edition!). I would point out that it’s NOT an online work. It’s a printed magazine and hopefully I'll be able to keep running with that.
Basically as I said, I'm just very excited about what comes next!
Mike is continuing to stay very busy, including curating new books. His first book was published by Princeton Architectural Press in 2006 and continues to garner international acclaim. He has worked with clients ranging from New York Times Magazine, Dwell Magazine, Microsoft Zune, Urban Outfitters, eMusic and Zoo York. His work has been seen around the world from Los Angles and Chicago to London, Sydney and Berlin.
In 2004, he was chosen as one of Step Magazine’s "30 under 30"; in 2007 as a groundbreaking illustrator by Computer Arts Projects Magazine, and in 2008 he received Print Magazine’s New Visual Artist award.
Toiling away night and day, Mike creates new typefaces and sundry graphics that inevitably evolve into his new work, exercising the great belief that the generating of piles is the sincerest form of creative process …
If you could be doing anything else besides "design", what would you be doing and why?
I think maybe I would be a writer. I really enjoy the process of writing but I'm not the most confident with words. Every time I read something that “hits” me I feel a bit envious.
I'd also think it'd be awesome to be a musician. Music affects people in such a massive way. The visual creative world affects people, but when you play a song on repeat for hours and hours, that really gets into someone's soul. Looking at pictures … it only gets so far. At least, with my relationship with art, definitely music affects me more than the visual world.
What job would you absolutely hate doing?
Politician. I just feel like you end up having to lie all the time. Politicians are politicians. Even the good ones are shady.
What's next for Mike Perry?
I have a new book that’s just come out called "Over and Over" (see also my website for more information), which is a follow-up to my last book. It’s about one of my passions: patterns. I'm pitching some other books as well. I won't say anything more but I have a good feeling about them.
Without sounding too rude, how do you differentiate some of your illustrations and what someone might consider "doodling"?
Well first off, I don't think I'm trying to sell myself as an illustrator. It just kind of happens that I do illustration even though I don't define myself that way at this time.
And in terms of some pictures, well maybe it is just a doodle or at least includes this as an element. That's to me a part of the process, just sitting down and drawing, working it into my projects, so there's - no doubt - still a bit of doodling quality to it. You may ask: why is there a need for that? All I can say is that I do have doodles that I make, for example when I'm on the phone, and they look way less sophisticated than what I call my designs.
Do you see any trends in the areas you're involved in for the coming years ahead?
Well I don't try to think like that. I just try to trust my instincts and just make what I feel is right at the moment.
I've heard that hand-drawn typography is on the way out and people should stop doing it; this coming, for example, from critics who have opinions about my work, or the book, or even my colleagues' work. And maybe that's true, but I'm going to keep doing what feels right until it doesn't feel right anymore.
How do you see your role as typographer?
I see my role as typographer as kind of exploratory and more illustrative than structured. I think about type but more often I'm more interested in the poetry of the word as opposed to developing something that's more universal and anyone can use.
Do you have any fear of being type-cast as a typographer (sorry for the pun)?
Of course, that's a kind of common fear of any artist. You always wonder: what if somebody that hires you really likes what you do and wants it to stay the same? You want to evolve, but maybe this "audience" doesn't want you to evolve your work. I don't want that, and I don't want to settle, as I am young and have so many things to think about. I'm looking forward to see what I will make, or what I'm going to make, as I really enjoy thinking: "what's going to happen next?"
You've talked about using different approaches and your work appears on different media. Is there a medium or application you prefer?
It’s really whatever the moment needs, or whatever the end results need to be. If it needs to be a tee-shirt, you should make a tee-shirt. Whatever is appropriate, whatever your customer needs.
So the project chooses the medium more than vice versa?
Kind of. In an ideal world, I would come up with whatever is appropriate. But often times there are budgets or set guidelines that exist and these help to push things to be what they are. Which is good, because those limitations are nice, because sometimes you get stuck because you can do anything. But knowing then that it can only be certain colors, or cost so much, is actually very good. So often times the initial brief will help push out the final product.
Sounds like a pretty lucky run there.
I feel very fortunate very often. I fully embrace the kind of "cosmic path" that I've been fortunate enough to be traveling on.
Since you are at a relatively early stage in your career, what advice would you give designers starting out, or especially coming out of college?
I really think it’s: just keep working and making stuff and keep exposing yourself. In this world you can't make stuff and hide it. You've got to get things out there. Whenever I talk to people I ask them: "what are you doing standing here, go now and get your work on the web". I think getting a website is a very important part of this world we live in. I owe a lot of my success to the Internet, where I've been running my web-site 7 or 8 years. If I had launched it last year, I honestly think I wouldn't be where I am.
And, of course, you've got to keep pushing yourself, constantly make stuff and really put in the man-hours. For me, it’s like exercise: the more you run, the better runner you are, the better shape you're in. For me, the more you make, the stronger a “maker” you are. I'm not a runner, but I am a maker.
As described, you seem to wear many hats in terms of your work. What should we call you, or, better said, how would you like to be described?
I've decided my title should be "maker". Yes, it’s a kind of funny, cheesy word but it’s easiest for me to sum up what I do.
How did this transition in college work for you?
My first year in the design program, I had a course where I literally pretended I couldn't draw. I used a lot of vector art and made a lot of really bad design work. For me it was like I literally began my education again. I threw out all I'd learned about painting and started from scratch. It was a great experience, as I made lots of mistakes up front but finally things clicked into place.
Slowly but surely I started figuring out what I wanted to do within design. Again, I also had a lot of great professors along the way. They allowed me the freedom to approach and define design as the ability to make anything, that is, whatever was necessary for the angle.
And after college?
After college I was very fortunate to get a job with a company called Urban Outfitters in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The company had a real rich visual language. I also had a great "mentor" boss who allowed me to push myself and do things in the creative directions I was interested in pursuing. I really looked at it as almost more educational than my college experience and I had a lot of time to figure out my "process". I worked there for about 3-4 years then moved to New York – well, to be honest I met a girl on a photo shoot and we dated long distance for a little while. Then I left Urban and moved to New York.
Once there I got a job at a little design studio and was planning on being there for a few years. I didn't really have much anticipation of starting or moving out on my own. When I moved to New York, I didn't really "advertise" myself and didn't let folks know I was there per se. But all of a sudden the phone started ringing and the work was pouring in. As it turned out, I found I had enough work to leave the job and go out on my own. That was then about 2½ years ago.
At about age 14, or 15, my grandfather gave me a tackle box full of oil paints and I really fell in love immediately. Again, I had always drawn and I always knew that I wanted to be making things, but when I was given that box of oil paints everything seemed to snap into place for me. I really became obsessed and that first year alone I think I did about 300 paintings. I just couldn't stop, as the interest in painting just kind of blew my mind. I had a picture of my future and it said to me: "this is it".
How about your formal training or education?
A few years later I enrolled in the Minneapolis College of Art and Design in Minnesota, which was very small and had only about 600 students in all. I was in the painting department and at first I was really into it, but suddenly I found that I had hit a wall. I had begun to realize that all we did was paint still lifes, or something similar, and that my art wasn't progressing per se. I was getting technically better but wasn't pushing my ideas as much as I wanted to or knew I needed to.
Interestingly though, the school made everyone take a kind of interactive design course. I was lucky because my teacher was really inspiring. The course approached the subject of interactivity and design and even worked with computers in a really rich way. This kind of hit me in a similar way like when I got the box of paints.
I said: "Wow, this is a new thing, I'm really excited! I'm going to progress what I'm thinking and my art and try to discover new things." So I decided to abandon pure painting only and try out designing.
By Ziggy Nixon
Mike Perry works in Brooklyn, New York as an illustrator, designer, and typographer. He stays very busy making books, magazines, newspapers, clothing, drawings, paintings, illustrations and teaching whenever possible.
We recently caught up with this bright and very hard-working young "multi-tasker" …
Let us know a bit about Mike Perry: his background, influences and, really, why you think we should be interviewing him, I mean, you?
I'm not totally sure that you should be (laughs).
In terms of my background, I was born in Missouri, grew up on both sides of Kansas City - which of course stretches across both Missouri and Kansas - and kind of moved around in that general area. At age 14, we officially moved to Kansas. Where we moved was suburban, but still very rural. We had cows across the street and horses in the back, and lived on 33 acres.
Mike Perry portrait
In terms of art, I had always drawn. My grandfather – who's a bit eccentric – also played a big role in my development. I always thought of him as “the mad scientist”, albeit in a really good, loving kind of way. He built machines, collected all kinds of junk for his projects, and was always working on a 6-story house that's he's been building himself for what seemed like forever and ever. Importantly for me, he had painted his entire life.